Address: 434 17th - 90402
Details: 3 bed/2 bath 1,990 sq ft house on a 7,500 sq ft lot, Wells Fargo REO
Description: Location! New carpet and paint. Move-in now--remodel later. Features include: coved, detailed ceilings in living room and step-up, formal dining room; lovely living room fireplace; breakfast room with lots of light. Den has been added on, probably without permits.[Wells Fargo offer-submission policy: beginning 11/2, ONLY owner-occupied, NSP, municipality, and non-profit organization offers will be considered; beginning 11/7 all offers will be considered.]
Listing History: 10/26/11 - $1,699,900
This property changed hands in 2002, 2003, 2004, and twice in late 2006. Property Shark does not show values for these transactions but if anyone has access to the last purchase price that would be interesting to have. UPDATE -- All transactions appear to be between related parties and were not real sales/purchases. Also, from a helpful reader: "Wells Fargo bought the house back in August for $1,524,601. The previous owner had a $1,435,000 1st trust deed and a $350,000 2nd."
Anyway, I don't think this house will sell for any type of great discount but it is good to see the banks get more inventory off their books. We need to see more of this - get the gunk out of the system.
Saturday, October 29, 2011
Sunday, October 23, 2011
What Does Short Sale Fraud Look Like? *Update 1*
I have been featuring 933 25th for a long time because it is a classic bubble reminder and it is a real mystery. The guy building it had a neighborhood party upon breaking ground and claimed he was building his dream home. But once the long process of building this giant monstrosity was complete, it was put on the market at a wildly high price. It has been listed a few times, prices have been cut but it never sold. It was apparently rented out...but then recently there were reports that the renters had moved out.
When I last featured this property, it was being listed as a short sale for $2.4mm. Like this thing or not, that is way too cheap and I suggested listing at a price like that and having it go into escrow right away smelled fishy.
Well, no short sale took place and now this thing is back on market asking $16k/month as a rental. According to Property Shark, the notice of default was filed on 11/30/10. When is the bank/lender(s) going to get real here? This house should be sold to the highest real bidder, losses should be taken and we should move on. Anyone have any additional info about this mysterious mcmansion?
**UPDATE** -- One day after being featured, the rental listing for $16k/month has now been "withdrawn" from the MLS.
When I last featured this property, it was being listed as a short sale for $2.4mm. Like this thing or not, that is way too cheap and I suggested listing at a price like that and having it go into escrow right away smelled fishy.
Well, no short sale took place and now this thing is back on market asking $16k/month as a rental. According to Property Shark, the notice of default was filed on 11/30/10. When is the bank/lender(s) going to get real here? This house should be sold to the highest real bidder, losses should be taken and we should move on. Anyone have any additional info about this mysterious mcmansion?
**UPDATE** -- One day after being featured, the rental listing for $16k/month has now been "withdrawn" from the MLS.
Monday, October 17, 2011
Agent Owned Flip Finally Clears
I last featured 942 26th back in February 2011
Previous Purchase: 10/31/05 - $1,549,000
This flipper listed the house for sale in early 2008 for $2.3mm, 2010 for $1.875mm and 2011 for $1.985mm before finally listing it for a fourth time on 7/20/11 for $1.595mm
SOLD: 10/10/11 - $1,600,000
So basically this person took the majority of their loss in the form of all the upgrades they did to the house. Sounds like they could have poured in a lot of money...
completely renovated & expanded in 2007. The major remodel was finished with attention to all the details!Gourmet kitchen with granite counter top, travertine floors. Master suite with his and her walk-in closets, spa tub, walk-in shower
Previous Purchase: 10/31/05 - $1,549,000
This flipper listed the house for sale in early 2008 for $2.3mm, 2010 for $1.875mm and 2011 for $1.985mm before finally listing it for a fourth time on 7/20/11 for $1.595mm
SOLD: 10/10/11 - $1,600,000
So basically this person took the majority of their loss in the form of all the upgrades they did to the house. Sounds like they could have poured in a lot of money...
completely renovated & expanded in 2007. The major remodel was finished with attention to all the details!Gourmet kitchen with granite counter top, travertine floors. Master suite with his and her walk-in closets, spa tub, walk-in shower
Sunday, October 9, 2011
Clean This Up Already! *Update 1*
I last featured 310 22nd way back in May 2010 when it was listed as a short sale.
Previous Purchase: 8/19/03 - $2,650,000
The short sale listing started in October 2009 at a price that was way too high before being cut down to $3.15mm and then expiring.
The foreclosure auction kept getting pushed back but finally, on 7/13/10 JP Morgan foreclosed for $3mm.
REO Listing: 9/19/11 - $3,360,000
So here we've got another real foreclosure in the once "immune" 90402. Why does it take banks so long to foreclose and then once they've done so, why does it take so long to put the damn inventory on the market? Stupid.
Previous Purchase: 8/19/03 - $2,650,000
The short sale listing started in October 2009 at a price that was way too high before being cut down to $3.15mm and then expiring.
The foreclosure auction kept getting pushed back but finally, on 7/13/10 JP Morgan foreclosed for $3mm.
REO Listing: 9/19/11 - $3,360,000
So here we've got another real foreclosure in the once "immune" 90402. Why does it take banks so long to foreclose and then once they've done so, why does it take so long to put the damn inventory on the market? Stupid.
Wednesday, October 5, 2011
Sunday, October 2, 2011
90403 East of 26th Street -- $/sq ft Comparison
Address: 830 Harvard - 90403
Details: 4 bed/5.5 bath 3,846 sq ft house on a 7,900 sq ft lot.
Description: Drastic Price Reduction of $400,000!!! Contemporary, Cape Cod, custom designed single family built in 1989. This home features 4 bedrooms and 5.5 baths of very generous size. Great natural lighting throughout in a normal, family style layout. 3 bedrooms upstairs, 1 down. Den/Library can be converted to a 5th bedroom, if needed. It has an open kitchen with large family room and breakfast area facing the backyard. Large formal dining room. Tons of built-ins. Large walk in closets. 2 car garage in the back alley. Heated lap pool. Franklin School District. Motivated Seller!
Listing History: 11/26/10 - $2,749,000
Reduced down to - $2,350,000
SOLD: 9/29/11 - $2,128,000
This house took 266 days to get into escrow. Judging by the photos, the condition doesn't look bad at all but maybe you could make the argument that it could use some minor updating or a little face lift. Either way, I thought this was a lot of house on a nice big lot for the money. The sales price came in at $553/sq ft. You could spend $200k on some updating and you would still only be in the very low $600/sq ft range.
Next up is 850 Stanford - 90403
Details: 4 bed/3 bath 2,625 sq ft house on a 8,000 sq ft lot
Description: There is a charm that surrounds this lovely 4 bdrm, 3 bath home, in a prime Santa Monica location within the Franklin School District. Enter into a turret style foyer with leaded glass-paned windows and slate tile flooring. The living room and dining room have high volume ceilings, wood floors, slate tile fireplace in living room and plantation shutters. The eat-in kitchen has high vaulted wood beam ceilings with glazed Spanish tile flooring, Spanish tile counters, butcher-block center island. The mater suite is located on the 1st level with French doors, very large walk-in closet. Granite fireplace, beautiful private bathroom with vaulted ceilings and skylites, granite counters and glass and granite shower which leads to a large deck to the backyard. The second bedroom on the first level has beautiful built-in cabinet and deck and can be used as office/den. Two additional bedrooms and bath grace the upstairs. The beautifully landscaped grounds include a patio and deck leading out to a swimming pool and spa and two car attached garage.
Listing History: 6/5/11 - $1,875,000
SOLD: 9/29/11 - $1,700,000
This house took 116 days to get into escrow. Sure, it isn't as bad as the 266 days it took the Harvard house, but this is still a little long. Anyway, again judging from the photos, this house looks to be in pretty good shape and I agree with the listing description that there is some real charm here. The sales price came in at $647/sq ft. Given that the marginal square foot of house gets cheaper as houses get bigger and given that this house is over 1,000 sq ft smaller than the Harvard house, I would say these two valuations aren't terribly far apart, especially given that I would argue this house is a little more unique and probably gets some premium for that.
Finally, we come to 2619 Washington which I just featured recently.
It is a 3 bed/2.5 bath 2,037 sq ft house on a 7,040 sq ft lot.
You can read more about my thoughts on it in my previous posts but when comparing it to the two houses featured above (which actually sold), we can notice a few things. First off, the positives of this house are that it arguably has the most charm out of these three and it is in pretty good shape (new kitchen, etc). It isn't however completely redone as I remember looking at a pretty original looking bathroom. But hey, maybe that is part of the "original" charm here...The negatives of this house really stand out however. The lot is almost 1,000 sq smaller, it has one less bedroom and less bathrooms than both of the other two houses.
Most importantly, the picture becomes even more clear when we look at the fact that even after reducing the price, this seller is still asking a very lofty $897/sq ft. Again, we have to remember that this house should sell for a higher $/sq ft just based on the fact that it is the smallest of the three houses -- AND because I think it has the most charm, but even adjusting for these items, a price of nearly $900/sq ft seems way too high.
The Stanford house is only about 600 sq ft bigger and it sold for $647/sq ft. So maybe you pop it up to $700/sq ft to account for size difference, then add some premium for the new kitchen and overall good condition, and then add on a final premium for the character and unique Spanish style. I think some readers would be surprised to see how big these premiums might be. I don't think they justify the bump from a potential $700/sq ft up to $900/sq ft, but I think they could be worth $100/sq ft. So at $800/sq ft you are looking at $1.63mm.
The seller of this house has been stubborn about reducing the price down to a market level. The house has been listed several times with no luck at selling. At this point they are hoping to find someone who stumbles into an open house and loves the property (and thus would be willing to ascribe a far greater than $100/sq ft premium to it). I don't think it is likely that they find someone willing to pay near the current list price, but I could see someone paying something like $1.7mm.
Finally, this house previously rented for $6,000/month. The interesting thing is that I have a rough valuation tool that I use which is based on rental value...in this case, a rent of $6,000/month gives me a fair value of just about $1.63mm which is the same price as we came to above using $800/sq ft. Now, if the rent would be higher now (say $6,500 or so), then I can get a value north of $1.7mm. So ultimately, I see fair value on this house somewhere between $1.63mm and $1.75mm. Now you can of course make fun of me if it sells for more but I don't see that happening.
Details: 4 bed/5.5 bath 3,846 sq ft house on a 7,900 sq ft lot.
Description: Drastic Price Reduction of $400,000!!! Contemporary, Cape Cod, custom designed single family built in 1989. This home features 4 bedrooms and 5.5 baths of very generous size. Great natural lighting throughout in a normal, family style layout. 3 bedrooms upstairs, 1 down. Den/Library can be converted to a 5th bedroom, if needed. It has an open kitchen with large family room and breakfast area facing the backyard. Large formal dining room. Tons of built-ins. Large walk in closets. 2 car garage in the back alley. Heated lap pool. Franklin School District. Motivated Seller!
Listing History: 11/26/10 - $2,749,000
Reduced down to - $2,350,000
SOLD: 9/29/11 - $2,128,000
This house took 266 days to get into escrow. Judging by the photos, the condition doesn't look bad at all but maybe you could make the argument that it could use some minor updating or a little face lift. Either way, I thought this was a lot of house on a nice big lot for the money. The sales price came in at $553/sq ft. You could spend $200k on some updating and you would still only be in the very low $600/sq ft range.
Next up is 850 Stanford - 90403
Details: 4 bed/3 bath 2,625 sq ft house on a 8,000 sq ft lot
Description: There is a charm that surrounds this lovely 4 bdrm, 3 bath home, in a prime Santa Monica location within the Franklin School District. Enter into a turret style foyer with leaded glass-paned windows and slate tile flooring. The living room and dining room have high volume ceilings, wood floors, slate tile fireplace in living room and plantation shutters. The eat-in kitchen has high vaulted wood beam ceilings with glazed Spanish tile flooring, Spanish tile counters, butcher-block center island. The mater suite is located on the 1st level with French doors, very large walk-in closet. Granite fireplace, beautiful private bathroom with vaulted ceilings and skylites, granite counters and glass and granite shower which leads to a large deck to the backyard. The second bedroom on the first level has beautiful built-in cabinet and deck and can be used as office/den. Two additional bedrooms and bath grace the upstairs. The beautifully landscaped grounds include a patio and deck leading out to a swimming pool and spa and two car attached garage.
Listing History: 6/5/11 - $1,875,000
SOLD: 9/29/11 - $1,700,000
This house took 116 days to get into escrow. Sure, it isn't as bad as the 266 days it took the Harvard house, but this is still a little long. Anyway, again judging from the photos, this house looks to be in pretty good shape and I agree with the listing description that there is some real charm here. The sales price came in at $647/sq ft. Given that the marginal square foot of house gets cheaper as houses get bigger and given that this house is over 1,000 sq ft smaller than the Harvard house, I would say these two valuations aren't terribly far apart, especially given that I would argue this house is a little more unique and probably gets some premium for that.
Finally, we come to 2619 Washington which I just featured recently.
It is a 3 bed/2.5 bath 2,037 sq ft house on a 7,040 sq ft lot.
You can read more about my thoughts on it in my previous posts but when comparing it to the two houses featured above (which actually sold), we can notice a few things. First off, the positives of this house are that it arguably has the most charm out of these three and it is in pretty good shape (new kitchen, etc). It isn't however completely redone as I remember looking at a pretty original looking bathroom. But hey, maybe that is part of the "original" charm here...The negatives of this house really stand out however. The lot is almost 1,000 sq smaller, it has one less bedroom and less bathrooms than both of the other two houses.
Most importantly, the picture becomes even more clear when we look at the fact that even after reducing the price, this seller is still asking a very lofty $897/sq ft. Again, we have to remember that this house should sell for a higher $/sq ft just based on the fact that it is the smallest of the three houses -- AND because I think it has the most charm, but even adjusting for these items, a price of nearly $900/sq ft seems way too high.
The Stanford house is only about 600 sq ft bigger and it sold for $647/sq ft. So maybe you pop it up to $700/sq ft to account for size difference, then add some premium for the new kitchen and overall good condition, and then add on a final premium for the character and unique Spanish style. I think some readers would be surprised to see how big these premiums might be. I don't think they justify the bump from a potential $700/sq ft up to $900/sq ft, but I think they could be worth $100/sq ft. So at $800/sq ft you are looking at $1.63mm.
The seller of this house has been stubborn about reducing the price down to a market level. The house has been listed several times with no luck at selling. At this point they are hoping to find someone who stumbles into an open house and loves the property (and thus would be willing to ascribe a far greater than $100/sq ft premium to it). I don't think it is likely that they find someone willing to pay near the current list price, but I could see someone paying something like $1.7mm.
Finally, this house previously rented for $6,000/month. The interesting thing is that I have a rough valuation tool that I use which is based on rental value...in this case, a rent of $6,000/month gives me a fair value of just about $1.63mm which is the same price as we came to above using $800/sq ft. Now, if the rent would be higher now (say $6,500 or so), then I can get a value north of $1.7mm. So ultimately, I see fair value on this house somewhere between $1.63mm and $1.75mm. Now you can of course make fun of me if it sells for more but I don't see that happening.
Deeper REO Rollback On Maple *Update 1*
I last featured 1514 Maple back in August.
Previous Purchase: 6/10/05 - $900,000
Listing History: 8/9/11 - $739,000
SOLD: 9/23/11 - $675,000
As I said last time: this is deeper than most rollbacks we have been seeing -- but a big reason for that is that the location is a little challenged and the house is small and funky. And as dwr mentioned, there are renters in there right now.
And it looks like I wasn't too far off with what I said about valuation: Looking back to the purchase prior to the one in 2005, we see this property sold for $385k on 12/14/00. My 3% inflation + 1% premium compound growth rate brings fair value to around $600k + any improvements.
Previous Purchase: 6/10/05 - $900,000
Listing History: 8/9/11 - $739,000
SOLD: 9/23/11 - $675,000
As I said last time: this is deeper than most rollbacks we have been seeing -- but a big reason for that is that the location is a little challenged and the house is small and funky. And as dwr mentioned, there are renters in there right now.
And it looks like I wasn't too far off with what I said about valuation: Looking back to the purchase prior to the one in 2005, we see this property sold for $385k on 12/14/00. My 3% inflation + 1% premium compound growth rate brings fair value to around $600k + any improvements.
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